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Double your pleasure, double your playlists

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Doc Benway
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Well, I thought I had everything working perfectly. Finally got all my playlists synced and displaying all the songs. Working great and have been using it for a week or two. Tonight I hooked my phone back up to my PC and synced my playlists again and now I've got TWO of each playlist. And of course each play list has that random number at the end. Seems it doesn't recognize it's own playlists...

Honestly, I racking my brain trying to get this sorted out. Any clues?
May 3, 2016 (modified May 3, 2016)  • #1
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
What type of device is it? And if you reboot the device, does the second playlist disappear? I've seen this happen on some phones, where the playlist is actually deleted, but doesn't disappear until the phone is rebooted.
May 4, 2016  • #2
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What type of device is it? And if you reboot the device, does the second playlist disappear? I've seen this happen on some phones, where the playlist is actually deleted, but doesn't disappear until the phone is rebooted.

Keith, sorry for the delay! (been away) I'm still trying to figure this out, but alas, my trial has expired, so I can't see about getting it working or figuring out what the issue is (and I'm hesitant to purchase if I can't figure this out)

What I do know:
Device is Android OnePlus X
Don't know if the playlists disapear on reboot because I manually deleted them. I was going to try again, but my trial has expired.

I'll let you know if I find anything...
May 25, 2016  • #3
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
No worries! I've just sent you a new 30-day trial key
May 26, 2016  • #4
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No worries! I've just sent you a new 30-day trial key :)


:D :D :D
May 27, 2016  • #5
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Doc Benway
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Interesting discovery: When you rename playlists in a music app, it only creates a symbolic link (since all songs are linked using the original playlist name). This all comes about because of the (IMO) needless addition of random numbers on the playlists. Numbers that are added even if no playlists exist.

Here's what my playlists look like and I think it's a bit silly:
Eno_34546
Bowie_45675
Cure_67803
Beat_85735
...times another 15 or so playlists.

Please make this random numbering optional. The whole idea of 'syncing' playlists is to have the same playlist on both your computer and your phone (using the name I give it only). If existing playlists get replaced because they already exist on the phone, well, isn't that what syncing playlists is all about??

iTunesFusion, by creating multiple playlists, isn't really syncing is it? I think the programmers are missing the point of a sync program here. The whole point is to over-write what's on your phone(!).

Again, please make this random numbering optional. I'm afraid I won't use the program otherwise. Make it an advanced setting, that's fine, but I just won't have all those numbers on my playlists. :(
May 30, 2016 (modified May 30, 2016)  • #6
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We are planning to add a setting to do that, so we'll definitely post an update when it's available.

Thanks!
May 30, 2016  • #7
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We are planning to add a setting to do that, so we'll definitely post an update when it's available.

Thanks!


Hey Keith, just checking in. I saw that there was an update back in August.

Has itunesfusion been updated to NOT add random numbers on the end of my playlists yet (or an option to disable)? (also, in the process, it duplicates playlists that are already on my device rather than syncing existing ones).

This still confuses me a bit. :P If I have sync'd a playlist once, shouldn't it continue to sync and not duplicate the playlist by adding a random number? Am I doing something wrong here?
Sep 27, 2016  • #8
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That setting hasn't been added yet, but we'll be adding it for the next version. I'm also doing some more testing here to try and figure out what the deeper issue is here. Those ID numbers aren't supposed to be random. They are the playlist ID in iTunes. We use the playlist ID instead of just the name, so that if you rename a playlist, or have more than 1 playlist with the same name, iTunesFusion can still identify them during the sync.

With your setup, there seems to be two separate issues:
  • The phone is showing the playlist ID, instead of the playlist name.
  • The playlist ID seems to be changing on the iTunes end, causing the next sync to create a new playlist, instead of using the existing one.

Are your playlists "Smart Playlists" in iTunes, or just regular ones? Also, do you ever delete your playlists and re-create them?
Sep 28, 2016  • #9
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Hitting the road here, but I'll try to answer quick:

Just regular playlists. I may rename some, but not usually and rarely delete any. I've also tried doubletwist and just last night iSycnr and they all add clean titles, no numbers at the end, so I'm not sure what's going on there.

All these playlists and songs really haven't changed for a few years...

Ok, back in the office...

Your explanation of how itunesfusion grabs the iTunes ID of the playlist, thus coming up with the number on the end explains things abit. I don't know why that number is showing up on my phone though.

That also explains why, when I rename the playlist on my phone (to remove the number),itunesfusion on next sync just adds in the playlist with the numbers again.

On my end, though, it seems overly complicated. Doubletwist and iSyncr both just copy the names over perfectly and I'm off and running. If I change the playlist name in iTunes, then it's my own fault if it gets duplicated on my phone at next sync (and I understand this). I see what you're doing here and it's smart, but is causing me trouble.

Question: Am I the only one that's reported this issue? I'm using a OnePlus X with Android version 5.1.1. If I'm the only report, then frankly, you shouldn't worry about it. It's likely to never come up again and I'll just grab another sync software (which in fact, I already have).
Sep 28, 2016 (modified Sep 29, 2016)  • #10
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Ok, thanks for the extra details! So, it sounds like the IDs aren't actually changing, they're just getting re-added on the next sync?

I did some more testing later yesterday, and it looks like something's changed in recent Android versions/music app versions that's causing the synced ITF playlists to show the ID in the title. This didn't used to happen, but seems to be occurring with Google Music, and most other music apps I test now. So, we're going to get that fixed up for the next version for sure.

When you say on the next sync the ID gets added back, is it renaming the playlist back to playlist_ID, or is it creating a second playlist, leaving the old renamed one there as well?
Sep 29, 2016  • #11
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Ok, thanks for the extra details! So, it sounds like the IDs aren't actually changing, they're just getting re-added on the next sync?

I did some more testing later yesterday, and it looks like something's changed in recent Android versions/music app versions that's causing the synced ITF playlists to show the ID in the title. This didn't used to happen, but seems to be occurring with Google Music, and most other music apps I test now. So, we're going to get that fixed up for the next version for sure.

When you say on the next sync the ID gets added back, is it renaming the playlist back to playlist_ID, or is it creating a second playlist, leaving the old renamed one there as well?


Good to know it's not just me, ha. If I change the playlist description (which seems to be where the id number is stored and shown) or go into explorer and rename the playlist, on next sync, another playlist is added and shows up with the random id numbers again. All is fine if I just leave the ID number tacked on the end, but that's not a good solution.

Glad there's a fix in the works because iTF is really the best android/iTunes sync program I've run across.

Let me know if I can test anything for you.

Just waiting for that fix before I buy!
Dec 1, 2016 (modified Dec 1, 2016)  • #12
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Will do, thanks!
Dec 1, 2016  • #13
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
We've finally released a new beta version that should fix this issue up! You can grab it from the link below, or enable Beta update checks in the iTunesFusion Settings.

https://www.itunesfusion.com/Download/Beta/

Could you test it out and let us know how it works out?

Thanks!
May 5, 2017  • #14
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